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1. Recently sold our 1987 924S
Not perfect but in excellent condition with 72,000 miles.
Automatic transmission
White over black
Private sale
$5700
San Francisco Bay Area
Brent
Belmont, CA
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2. Tony Garcia
All private sales.
1986 Red 944 turbo. Mild modifications. Sold for $7,000 to a private
party. 108K miles. Exterior=7, Interior=7.5.
1986 Metallic Grey 944 turbo (you know the mods for that car).. extensive
modifications. Sold for $17.5K to private party. Exterior=9.5,
Interior=10. 135K miles.
1992 968. Black/grey interior. Bought from private party for 15K (haven't
sold yet). Exterior=9.5. Interior=10. Came with full set of 944&968
factory manuals, full records, new clutch, belts/rollers, etc.. within the
last 3K miles. A perfect car in and out. Stock engine& suspension.
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JP,
3. I agree with you regarding Excellence's stance on the water-cooled cars.
Craig Clark / Alabama
Private sale / $16,000
1989 / 944 Turbo / stock
63,000 miles / Exterior 9 (repainted) / interior 9 (no dash cracks)
All records from original owner NOT included. Dealer (out of business)
stamps in warranty book though. Previous owner all records, dealer
maintained under extended warranty up until 52,000 miles. Then local Porsche
/ BMW / M-B service center.
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4. Grant Crockett/ Florida
Private Sale/ $2,200
1983/ 944/ Stock
84,000/ Exterior 2/ Interior 3
Car was driven into a guardrail, needed bodywork and
new upholstry all around. Many service records,
engine and drivetrain in very good condition.
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Peter M. Sullivan
5. Purchased 1988 944 TurboS in May of 1997 (a little outside your two year
window)
Paid $16,000 (plus $2,000 for 24 month/24,000 mile warranty through Danbury
(Connecticut) Porsche
The car is SilberRosa/Burgundy plaid interior
65,000 miles at time of purchase. Exterior is 8+ maybe 9 (some stone chips)
Interior is a 9
Car is completely stock. Came with complete service records (Porsche dealer
service), matching burgundy bag for the sunroof, and the original, although
faded luggage cover.
Do any of our fellow owners use the valuation service of PCA??
Letter to me dated December 16, 1999 signed by Joe Hartman, Chairman of PCA
Valuation Committee, reads in part:
"Porsche Year/Model: 1988 944 Turbo S Date of
Valuation: December 1999
Average Price Valuation: $18,730 Number of Data
Points: 32
(from data sources in 14-month period to date)
Upper Price Range Limit: $24,420
(approximately 90% of all Porsche values in this category can be
expected to be below this number
the 10% above this value would be expected to be in exceedingly
good condition, or true concours.)
Lower Price Range Limit: $13,030
(approximately 90% of all Porsche values in this category can be
expected to be above this number.
Cars worth less would be in extremely poor condition.)
Average price for 12-month period between 6 and 12 months prior to
date: $19,040
Porsche Club of America believes that the above valuation represents
the fair market price of the particular model/year
described as demonstrated by the broad database, and is valid for purposes o
f insurance or insurance claims.
If you have not requested a valuation for your own car, sign on to
http://www.pca.org, go to the Valuation Page and you can obtain a similar
response. A nice service!!!
I'll look forward to any tabulation of the information you gather.
Peter M. Sullivan
1988 944 TurboS SilberRosa
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7. 1987 944 Turbo
94,000 miles
exterior 6
interior 7
car was in Alabama, Iive in Tennessee
Price $7700
David Floyd
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8. >
>Your name/state of purchase
Dan Johnston/I'm from Ohio but bought my car in Massachusetts thru the
Porschelist...
>
>Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price
Private/$20.5k
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>Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified
'93/968 coupe/stock
>
>Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/ Condition of interior
51k/9 exterior/9 interior
>
>(1-10)
>Any additional info that effects cars value, plus or minus.
Metallic paint/10 speaker stereo/LSD/5 vol. workshop manuals/heated
seats/lojack/additional alarm and remote locking
>
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9. Me: '88 951, blk/blk, 165k, exterior 6 (slight rust spot under fender,
parking lot dings, paint needed wax, road chips), interior 7 (small rips in
seats, discolored carpet in rear), engine 5 (pan gasket leaking, boost max
1.4 [fixed easily], leaking seals, chattery clutch). Runs/starts/performs
perfectly. Has M474 Konis, airbags, tranny cooler, PL. $5900
Friend: '87 951, stone grey / burgundy, 110k, leaky radiator, exteriror 8,
interior 8, engine 8, new belts/clutch, no options, $7000
Friend: 85.0 944, black/grey, 102k, exterior 7, interior 8, engine 5 (rough
runner but clean), $4200 (too much)
Me: 924S-SE (M030), exterior 6, interior 3, engine 7 (broken mounts), less
than $3000 (still deciding)
I'm not sure if this helps or hurts your quest . . . but let me know. We're
passing up decent ~100k mile 8/8/8 951s for $9k and 951Ss at $14k because
it's too high.
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10. 1986 944 turbo
Bought 2/99 for $12,000
from original owner
32k miles
all records
lots of work done under warranty when newer (head gasket, headers, etc. etc.)
dings on both doors, but paint not broken (Came out with paintless dent work)
very small dent/big ding in fender needed paint to fix
new clutch installed when I bought it (car was $11k, we split cost of clutch, hence 12k price)
red exterior, good paint
tan leather, good shape
a/c switch did not work
bone stock CA car
live in bay area, but bought it from a guy in Hermosa Beach
I took Bruce's 911 rebuild class a few years back and asked him why he listed 951s so far under actual market value. He just shrugged his shoulders and didn't seem to care. He said something like..."I'm not trying to affect the value...I couldn't care less what they are worth." I got the feeling he didn't take it too seriously, particularly for the 944/51s. If you read his letters column in Excellence, and compare it to 5 years ago, you get the sense Bruce is not "trying" as hard as he did before. Just my 2 cents. --Tom M.
Purchased 8/99 at Ocala, Florida
86 - 951
Condition very good overall - new tires, no maint records. Needed a clutch cyl
Body 10
Interior 8
$7300.00
Private sale - found listed in Auto Trader
John Hollan
Jacksonville, Fl
Sorry, I just replied and did not do so in order
Here is the info:
John Hollan/Florida
Private Sale/$7,300
1986/944 Turbo/Stock
112,000 miles/exterior 10 (not a single dent, great repaint)/interior 8
4 new Dunlop 8000 (+)/ no maintenance records (-$300 to have belts, WP and assoc parts
changed) (-$600 for possible clutch repl)/Clutch cylinder bad (-$100). I negotiated
these amounts off the asking price.
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> Your name/state of purchase
Trent/MO
> Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price
Relative (private)/$3600 + 2300 to get the car out of the shop
> Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified
87/944S/stock
> Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/ Condition of interior
> (1-10)
143,000 (but the odo was kinda slow, so I dunno)/8 ext/7 int
> Any additional info that effects cars value, plus or minus.
Actually, if I'd known you NEED a maintenance log or complete portfolio of
repair receipts, I'd dropped the price $1500. Also, I bought it prior to
learning of Porsche list (now Rennlist), so I lacked all sorts of common
sense. I also, stupidly as it were, did not have a second mechanic's
opinion. The Mechanic that was working on the car lacked experience on
Porsche's. It was a setup. I was FRAMED! Snookered! gasp gasp....
But I ain't selling it, so don't ask.
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Hi,
My name is Ryan. I sold my 1984 944 with records of all the usual maintenance done for $5,300 this past January. The car was stock. Mileage was around 103,000. The odometer didnt work however. The condition was about a 7.5/10 for the exterior and about a 8.5/10 for the interior.
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Purchased: sept. 1997
State of Hawaii (Honolulu)
Model 1989 951, Baltic Blue Metallic
milage at purchase 73,000
purchase price 12,000
exterior 7 (stone chips on nose, some door dings, otherwise fine).
interior 6-7 (cracked dash, leather seats a tad worn, otherwise fine).
stock condition, car had just undergone major service at 71k.
purchased from private party--actually, from my mechanic.
regards,
Khal Spencer
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A. Brad Cozzi/
1) VA,June 1999
dealer sale/ 2,500 plus 4,000 to restore
1982/ 924/ stock
45,180/ overall condition after restoration 9.9
2) CT, October 1999
dealer sale/ 3,250+2,000 to restore
1981 931 stock
59,000/ exterior 8, interior 9
will have spent about 2,000 restoring so far.
Comment: I do not think that you can really put a value on these cars because
they are hard to find at any price. Also, finding qualified service pros is
becoming harder as the dealerships steer clear of these cars, and they are
becoming more rare.
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Your name/state of purchase: Steve Baumann/Missouri
Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price: Private/$3500.00
Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified: 83 944/Stock
Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/ Condition of interior
(1-10): 116,000 Miles, Exterior 6 Interior 7
Any additional info that effects cars value, plus or minus: Very early 83 model with special order Sienna Red Metallic Paint, 16" Fuchs (with sport suspension) and needed TLC. As with most first time 944 buyers I let emotion get in front of reason and I have put way, way more than my initial investment price into the car within the first year of ownership. I would do it again though.
:-)
Steve
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JP
I just purchased a 944S2 1989 (original in-service date = 2/90). 59xxx
miles, all original, concours winner, Ext = 10, Int = 10, 60k service
completed. All records back to the sticker. Boston, MA area. $16,000.
I believe I paid a premium for this car, as one usually does for examples in
this condition. The price was comparable to a clean E30 M3, which seems to
be a good metric.
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Hope
Brian Smithey, Colorado, purchased 9/99
private sale, $10,300
1987 944 turbo, completely stock
74,700 miles, exterior condition 8, interior condition 8
The car was professionally appraised at $10,267 as a
requirement of bank loan.
Guards Red, the appraiser said that red is a "desirable
color" on this car and commands a bit of a premium.
The car was professionally inspected by an independent
Porsche mechanic before purchase.
options:
C66 158 341 418 454
474 533 650 990
comments:
- lifetime colorado car
- partial service history
- small crack in windshield, lower passenger side
- some "nose rash" (stone chips), otherwise body and
paint condition are excellent. No door dings
- interior is excellent, cloth "porsche fabric" seats
with no rips or tears. Three small (1/8 - 1/4") cracks
in the dash near the defrost outlets
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Brian Smithey
Colorado Springs, CO
bksmithey@aol.com
'87 951
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Brian Bailey/SC
Dealer Sale/$12,900
1989/944S2/stock
62,000miles/8/9
Purchased Feb 1998
Brian Bailey/SC
Dealer Sale/$22,500
1987/944 Turbo/Modified
40,000miles/10/10
Purchased Jan. 2000
Car is an identical replica of an '87 Turbo Cup
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Mike Long/N.J.
Private sale/ $9500
'88/ 951/ stock
84k/ Condition of
exterior 7 / Condition of interior 9
(1-10)
Mike Long/ N.C.
Private Sale/ $12,000 (stole it)
'88/ 951S / stock
48k / Condition of exterior 9 / Condition of interior 8.5
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I just purchased a 1988 - 944 Turbo S (951) in FL and drove it back to CO.
Vin: WPOAA2956JN151554
Milage: 59300
Quite original except for a chip (old on included)
Price: $13,500 (had previously turned down $13,000)
2 Owner car that has always been in FL
I would describe the car as a 8.5 - 9
Everything works and has been well maintained, 60K done at 58500. New
timing belt, water pump, clutch and all parts, battery, tires,
Original window sticker would indicate a $50,400 original price.
Drove it 2100 miles home and only thing I did was to put fuel and a quart of
oil in.
Negatives:
- Lower half repaint. Although good quality. Reason was the fist
owner, used a key to express her anger at a pending divorce.
- Oil leak in area of rear of oil pan onto the exhaust header (smoke)
- "Rich" fuel smell
- Test pipe installed, although the converter, etc are to be shipped to
me
- Cloth seats need to be cleaned
- Car had a roll bar and has plates in place. Car was raced 3 times.
Overall, I think the car is worth the price paid and probably was a "good
buy".
I appreciate you supplying the information to a source that should have this
in their posession. By the way, the owner had over 30 calls on the car.
Gerard (Jerry) Tryjan
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> Your name/state of purchase
Menelaos Karamichalis / Missouri (MO)
> Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price
Private/ $9400
> Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified
1987/ 944 Turbo / modified
> Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/ Condition of interior
> (1-10)
75000 miles / 8 / 9.
> Any additional info that effects cars value, plus or minus.
Many little things were broken, I talked the price down from $10k. The
shop that saw the car for pre-purchase inspection said they could sell the
car for $11-$12k in the St. Louis market any day.
I did send this info, btw, via private email to Bruce Anderson on the
email address he shows in the Excellent issues. The car was bought in Feb
1998.
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Your name/state of purchase-- Raj Datta, Houston texas
Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price--Private sale/$20,500
Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified---1989 944turbo(S), pretty
modified, it has MAF, bigger throttle body, extrude honed intake , port matched
head, ceramic coated with bigger valves, wide fire ring head gasket, test pipe
and custom tuned chips.
Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/ Condition of
interior---68k/7-8, /8-9
(1-10)
Any additional info that effects cars value, plus or minus.--- one drive in the
car and I was sold. I know i could have had a similar car ithout mods for
16k-17k but the work was already done for me and it pulled really hard. It was
setup very nicely. Also, I got plenty of goodies with it like articles, sales
literature, 450 lbs spring, slotted brand new rotors and porterfield brake pads,
rocker panels, vented nose panel and supllemental turbo manual. The final price
was 21,250 for everything . I did have to install a new windshield( $460) and a
radio with CD cahnger( $300). I dont regret it for a second!!!
Raj Datta
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1-)
Armagan Ozkaya / Maryland
Private sale in July-1998 / price $5500
1985.5 944, stock
102K miles, condition of exterior=7, condition of interior=8
2-)
Armagan Ozkaya / Maryland
Purchase from private party in April-1999 / price $11500
1990 944S2, stock
89K miles, condition of exterior=8, condition of interior=9
3-)
My brother / Maryland
Purchase from dealer in October-1999 / price $18400
1993 968 coupe, stock
55K miles, condition of exterior=9, condition of interior=9
Thanks.
Armagan Ozkaya
1990 944 S2 Alpine White
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Name: John Fowler
State: NJ
Date of purchase: Sept. 1998
Private sale
Price: $9,300
1986, 951, Alpine white/burgundy, side mouldings, sun roof, factory alarm,
leather interior, standard 16" phone dials. Absolutely stock - no mods
whatsoever except for radio - was replaced in 1995 with high-end Sony
cassette receiver and matching 10 CD changer. Maintenance records wer up to
date ( timing belts, fluid adjustments etc.)
Mileage - 76,240 miles
Exterior - 8, No paint damage but a 5inch diameter "soft dent" forward of
right rear wheel well - pulled out with paintless dent repair process.
Interior - 10, absolutely perfect - couldn't believe you could keep an
interior in this good of a condition but PO was a fanatic about maintenance.
Additional info:
Car was purchased from the original owner who spared no expense in
maintaining the vehicle - he truly loved this car. His reason for selling
was he became a family man and didn't really have time to keep up with it
and had future plans of acquiring a Boxster. All maintenance was done by
Porsche at Schnieder-Nelson Porsche in Long Branch, NJ. Who provided me with
a computer printout of everything (in detail) done to this car. The PO
priced the car according to resale value as per Keely Blue Book retail which
I considered to be very underpriced - which is why I offered him full price
and was willing to pay more, if necessary. After I wrote him a check for
the car, he was offered as high as $13,000 for the car. I felt I got a very
good deal -real bargain.
Joh
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I bought my car almost three years ago but my purchase might help a little.
state of purchase Delaware 4/97
Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price Private $8300
Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified
'86 951, Autohthority stage two chips
Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/ Condition of interior
(1-10)
108,000 miles, exterior 7.5, interior 8.5 (perfect dash)
Clutch had just been done at 100k miles and car ran perfect. I didn't have to do a thing the first year of ownership until the turbo bug bit me.
Joe Jackson '86 951
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Henrik Frank, CA
Private Sale - $3400
'86 951 Stock
103K+ (odometer broken), 6, 8
Car had serious engine issues and MANY little flaws
If you are sending this to the list, I would like my name removed.
Thanks for doing this!
\ Henrik Frank
Newport Beach, CA
'90 S2 CAB (Red!)
'86 951 (Badly in need of engine work...)
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Don Bergeron/Southern Maine
Private Seller/ $3000.00
1986/ 944 n/a Stock
142,000 mi. Exterior is a 5 (needs paint) Interior is a 8 (cracked dash)
5 speed,a/c, cruise (not working), removable power moonroof (no bag),mirrors
(not working), power windows, power drivers seat, leather/leatherette seats,
Porsche floor mats, Fusch wheels (very good Cond.) factory blue dot am/fm
cassette.
This car runs excellent and I have had it up to 120 mph with plenty more to
go!!!!
No records but the car is all original and was obviously well maintained
with no Mickey Mouse repairs. I drove the car daily for the summer of 1999
and put on 8,000 miles and had to replace the starter, and had repeated
failures of the a/c tensioner due to a broken a/c compressor mounting lug in
the rear. A check of the timing/balance belts showed everything was in
excellent condition and had very little dust/smut in there so I feel that
the belts were done recently. I plan to replace those this spring and do a
complete tune up before I drive it another season. All in all this has been
an excellent purchase.
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John Welch - Illinois car
private sale - $9300 - don't tell my ex, she thinks it was $6300
1988/951/stock
47k, 16" BBS wheels, broken sunroof, no records, no stereo, bad tires
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FRANK HAGERTY
PA.
USED GERMAN DEALER 12,000.00
1986 951 STOCK W/ CD CHANGER
44000 MI.
EXT=9
INT=9
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TIA for compiling.
Name witheld/purch.in CT 1999
Private/$14,000
86/951/basic chip, exh. & alarm mods, clutch upgrade, recent belts/pump
62k mi./ext. 9-9.5/int. 9.5
All records from new.
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Name/State: Jim Osterheld/Arkansas
Private deal/Price: Private/ $2,200 with a 'broken timing belt'. Found
out later that the PO hadn't used non-phosphate anti-freeze during the
previous change and froze-up the #4 position. So, after an engine,
clutch, radiator and misc other item, I probally have ~$7,500 into the
car and would estimate it would sell locally for ~$5,000. . . (If I
wished to try ; )
Year/model/stock: 85-1/944/Stock
Mileage/Cond Exterior/Cond Interior: 72K broken odometer/ 5/ 5
Paint = avg (rock chips, no major scratches/dents), interior = avg (dash
has a few cracks, rest of interior in very good shape), mechanically
very good (no oil/water/PwrStrng leaks etc).
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A buddy's car/also Arkansas
Private deal/$4,500 and changed out the clutch & master/slave cylinders
then sold car for $5,000
Year/Model/Stock: 85-2/944/Stock
Mileage/Cond Exterior/Cond Interior: Unk/ 7 / 4
In the above rankings, 5 = average, 10 = a god, 1 = gutter
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1984-944 Red Canadian Model 82,000 Kms (51K miles) Usual Air, s/roof, 5
sp,leather partial with "Porsche" sript on fabric, 474 suspension (Boge
black, no rear sway bar, 15" ATS wheels), no alarm, no cruise,
Your name/state of purchase
Ken Daly
Purchased Jun 98 Fourth Owner
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada (Usually only 10-15 forsale all year in
wide area autotrader)
Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price
Private Deal $7500 CDN (5,000 USD)
Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified
1984/944/ stock
Mileage=50K Miles
Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best): Repainted due to fading : 7
Condition of interior (1-10) : 7 (dash looks like Death Valley, the rest is
Good to Very Good
Any additional info that effects cars value, plus or minus.
Car needed tires, brakes, w/pump&belts (my own insurance), clutch cylinders,
coolant flush,
thermostat + temp switch. Had suffered from lack of use only driven about
3K Kms in the previous 3 years!!
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Following transactions in delaware that I am aware of, all within last
year:
1989 951S 125K miles sold 15,9K Excellent Cond.
1989 951S 89K miles 16K VG Cond.
1989 951S 103K miles TOTALED 17K claim settled
1989 951S 128K miles, 13,9K VG cond.
1986 951, 144K miles, turboS motor, suspension mods, fair condition 9,8K
1988 951, 98K miles, VG cond., 9,8K
1987 951, 101K miles, VG cond., 9,8K
1987 951, 152K mi, Good cond. 7,8K
1986 951, 168K miles, Fair cond., 6,8K
All cars above in excellent running condition with all services
performed.
Condition refers to cosmetics.
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Track or upgraded cars have been bringing a premium, but they don't recover
the investment amounts. Super clean, or as delivered cars with very low
miles demand a premium but these are few and far between. As for the
Escort, Firehawk, and the 86 951 CS models they have been around $50K for
10 years now and the price really has not changed over time.
Now per your query,
1986 951 dealer purchase in 88 for $17K 10-10 loaded (my garage queen with
41K miles) bone stock
1986 951 private purchase in 98 for $1.7K 5-3 (140K, track car project)
mild upgrades and in a bazillion pieces.
1986 951 Euro, private purchase in 99 for $12K 4-9 (77K, track/street car)
2.8 Powerhaus Conversion, $25K in upgrades less than 18 months and 5K miles
earlier (in the right place at the right time).
Yep, I do have a stinking car lot and I'm depressed about the 86 pricing,
but then again I've been in a buying mode and this is good. (collecting my
toys)
Good luck and I'll be interested in seeing your results
Michael R. Getz
Director of IT Service
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Your name/state of purchase: Richard Ginski/Florida
Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price: Private/$9000
Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified:1988/944 Turbo/modified
Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/ Condition of
interior(1-10): 106,000/7(My subjective opinion of course.)/7(My subjective
opinion of course.)
Any additional info that effects cars value, plus or minus:
+ APE Chips, Stainless
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Philip Coomber
1987 944 NA
Black/Black
Baltimore, MD
purchase price (in 1998) $5900.00
I have since installed brakes, calipers, steering rack, wheels, transmission
dampener, engine rebuild, interior stuff, and Blau CD/tuner to the tune of
almost $5500.00
I love my car - most of the work I have done myself. It would have been a
heck of a lot more, had I taken it to a shop to perform these repairs.
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Date: 2/15/00 10:05:45 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: edwards.181@osu.edu (Benjy Edwards)
To: pohlpositn@aol.com
I bought my 1989 944 NA in May 1998 for $10,500.
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I purchased 1988 Porsche 951S, VIN WPOAA2954JN151729, on 1 March 1998 for
$15,000. My car was originally delivered to the Porsche dealer on 2
October, 1988 in Dublin, Ohio. It was sold by that dealership on 14
January, 1989 to the first owner. The original window sticker states that
this car came with the special 250HP package, etc., and it is guards red
with linen (light grey) interior.
I am glad you are doing this survey because Bruce Anderson's market value
prices and comments in "Excellence" magazine always made me feel a bit
embarrassed, as though I paid too much for the car.
Perhaps I did, but it's the best $15,000 car out there, in my opinion.
My car is stock, other than the Fabcar control arms, lightened flywheel and
Sachs competition clutch. What sold me on this particular car was the
exceptional repair and maintenance documentation that accompanied it. The
two prior owners saved all their receipts, showing over $20,000 worth of
maintenance since new. This corresponded well with the car's appearance.
The only drawback was that the front half of the car had been repainted.
However, there was no accident damage and the compression was excellent,
etc. I have been very happy with it.
Hope this helps,
Andy Seward
Major, U.S. Army
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Ok......Im not sure if the info I have for you is what you need but here it
goes:
1983 Porsche 944
Bought June 1999
Vancouver Wa
$2600
Car is in near perfect condition. New paint, new clutch, new belts, Alpine
system and brand new tires. All of the above done or purchased by PO and
bought from me for $2600. I think I got a deal.
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Hi,
I purchased a 1989 Turbo for $15k in 10/99. Car had exactly 58k miles when
purchased. The car was purchased in North Augusta, South Carolina. On a scale
from 1 to 10, the car was a 9. The car has paint chips on front facia. Also, I
purchased a set of tires to get in through Md inspection (the car needed two
rear tires). I looked at many 89 944 Turbos, this was the cheapest and the
cleanest. My car had two previous owners.
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Roger that...here is what I bought...
Mike
1991 944S2 Cabriolet Alpine White/Black Bought for 1998 for $ 22 K 38 K Miles Perfect Condition
1986 951 Turbo Guards Red/Black-Tan in 1999 Bought for $ 8.5 K 88K Miles B Condition
Rennlist Member # 990625-1345
PCA (Porsche Club of America) Member # 1999061739
POC (Porsche Owners Club) Member # 7289
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Rudy/Missouri
Private/$5300
1987/944S/stock
120,000/ interior condition 8
run great and body straight. Option flat disc wheels
Rudy
On the seventh day, God created high-end audio, Porsche automobiles, and
fine swiss wristwatches.....and it was good.
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Mike Lohss
Washington
Private sale
$20,500
1990 944 S2 Cabriolet - White/Black
Stock
Mileage: 27,000
Condition: 7
The gar had been salvaged in 1991, and has the front clip of another car.
But the car looks so good after 9 years of being re-built, I still bought
it. I figure I've given the car a happy home after going through hell and
coming back! There just aren't too many of these on the road.
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I'll give you two data points (well actually 3)
Purchased in late 97 - 86 na 109k miles - broken clutch center, one balance
shaft 180 degrees out, cheap tires, tired original konis but cosmetically
very nice. - $3500
Sold in late 88 for $6500 (broke even on parts!)
Purchased in late 88 - 86 turbo. 56k miles, came with records. Previous
owner babied the car - the one fault I found was that the boost was limited
to 1.2 bar (safety mode) the owner thought that that was the factory limit.
Obviously never driven hard! Cosmetically perfect except for a few paint
chips. Cheap worn tires. Paid $9500.
Chris White
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Nick Ferrala, Waterville, Maine
Private Sale through my mechanic (Porsche specialist), who personally owned the car (in Bangor, Maine)
Purchased for $8000 (asking was $8500)
1986 951, entirely stock
118,000 miles, interior condition 9, exterior 6 (see below)
Overall, the exterior was excellent structurally, but paint was terrible as it was done unprofessionally and was cracking.
Given the condition of the paint, I feel that I paid a premium, but I did so based on the reputation of the mechanic/seller, a fair amount of (recent) records and on the assurance from this mechanic that the car was mechanically very sound (which has proven largely to be true). Hey, he was the guy that I would take a 951 to have it checked out, so I had to trust him, right?
Through an incredible deal, I had the exterior refinished and repainted...full breakdown of doors, hood, bumpers, mirrors, etc., for about $2000. An additional $500 was spent on seals, badges, emblems, wheel caps, and windshield. These were all considered and planned-for before the purchase. So, final price was $10,500 for a car that could win Concourse if I were to put the elbow grease into the wax and shine job.
I hope this helps.
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Mike Lohss
Washington
Private sale
$20,500
1990 944 S2 Cabriolet - White/Black
Stock
Mileage: 27,000
Condition: 7
The gar had been salvaged in 1991, and has the front clip of another car.
But the car looks so good after 9 years of being re-built, I still bought
it. I figure I've given the car a happy home after going through hell and
coming back! There just aren't too many of these on the road.
Mike
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OK, I'll play......
Scott/OK
Dealer/$10,900
1986/951/stock
75,215/ex-9/in-9
purchased in 10/98, many upgrades/improvments since, couldn't get my
money back out of it. But, that's ok, I'm not selling for anything!
Hope this help
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Here is my 951 purchase info:
1987 951, 120K miles, 3rd owner, bought in Houston, TX 12/21/96 for $8250;
car needed immediate front brakes and new tires all around, seller was
asking $9000, and the car was completely stock. It came with a stack of
records about two inches tall and all the correct manuals. Cosmetically
very good, two small dash cracks and one seam tear on passenger seat.
Interior otherwise perfect, everything worked. The car also came with a
recently installed new clutch and a brand new (>$2000) aircon system with
true 134A Sanden rotary compressor, etc. An incredibly cheap way to go 170
mph for under $10K.
-Clark A.
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OK, here's my story:
Vehicle was purchased for $5000.00 in the first week of June, 1999
1984 944
103K
New "Sobel Metallic" (LY8V) paint
Brown Leather interior
Fuchs 15" with 215/60 H rated tires.
New power steering pump
5 speed manual
Power steering
Power windows
New battery
"944" light bar (It's being removed as soon as I get some matching paint
mixed!)
4 stock "cookie cutter" wheels, no tires, need refinishing.
Various spare interior and trim parts, relays, fuses.
Complete set of lug nuts and wheel locks for cookie cutters(spares)
Aftermarket (Panasonic) AM/FM Cassette. (Replaced with Sony single CD
receiver)
Manual Sunroof
Custom car cover
"Coverlay" style dash cover
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In June 1999, I purchased a 1993 Black/Tan 968 M030 for $24,500 from a
private party. The car had 40,000 miles on it.
I would rate both the interior and exterior a 9.5. Other than a few stone
chips on the front, the exterior is flawless. The only interior flaw was a
broken glove box catch. The 968 came with full service records from Beverly
Hills Porsche where it was maintained and also purchased new from. The tech
that did the pre-purchase inspection said, "I would never find a better
example of the 968 than this car."
Many of my friends and co-workers that are not that familiar with Porsches
have asked if it brand new. IT LOOKS THAT GOOD!!!
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>
> Your name/state of purchase
Rich Williams, New Jersey USA
>
> Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price
private, $9,000 US
>
> Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified
'87 951 stock
>
> Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/ Condition of interior
> (1-10)
88,000 miles, exterior 8, interior 8
>
> Any additional info that effects cars value, plus or minus.
>
PO had all records. Car had recent clutch job. Needed belts, motor mounts
Needs alignment and tires. Otherwise in real nice shape.
thanks,
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Hi John......my purchase was a little more than 2 years ago, but here is
the info:
>Your name/state of purchase
Lee Lichtenstein/Illinois
>Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price
Dealer purchase/$17,900.00
>Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified
'93/968 Coupe/Stock
>Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/ Condition of interior
>(1-10)
95,000mi/exterior-8/interior-8
>Any additional info that effects cars value, plus or minus.
none
Lee Lichtenstein <AOL IM s/n LeeL968>
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Stephen M. Andersen, Elkton, Maryland
Private Sale, $7860
1989 951 (S), mildly modified (chips)
103k miles Interior - 10, Exterior - 5 (read comments)
Info: Light hit in rear, needs bumper, undertray,
taillamp, exhaust, and quarter repair,
all parts included in selling price,
approx 4k labor to repair at high-end
body shop (doing repair myself, however)
car was "totalled" for 8k damage and PO
was paid 17k for car by ins. company
(explain that!!!).
exterior will be 10 when damage repaired...
Now has salvage title.
Car came complete with all service records
(bought from original owner)
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>
> Your name/state of purchase
Scott Harrison/Texas
> Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price
Private, was Don Istooks daily driver/ $6,800
> Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified
'86 951, chipped. Don may have done some other things to this car. This
car runs harder than other chipped 951's I have driven, but this isn't a
highly modified car.
> Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/ Condition of interior
> (1-10)
132,000 mi / Exterior 5/ Interior 5 / Mechanical condition 8 ( I am fairly
fussy about rating stuff, others would probably rate this car higher...)
> Any additional info that effects cars value, plus or minus.
This car was really bought to be used for a track car, so the cometics were
not as important as the mech shape. Of course, after driving it for a bit,
I want to make it nice enough to use as a daily car/track car... go
figure... boost IS addictive. lol
I am guessing I will be putting $1000 in the interior, $3000 in the exterior
and $2000 in the mechanicals to get it where I want the car at.
Regards,, ...Scott-
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Jason Walter - Iowa
Bought from (non-Porsche) Dealer for $10,000
1987 944S stock
92,000 miles
exterior - 7
interior - 7
Sold to Private Party for $7000
1987 944S stock
98,000 miles
exterior - 8
interior - 8
(not a money making deal ;-) I finally figured out that I couldn't afford
both my babies so the 944S lost it's place - I had the car for about 5
months and made some improvements, but I needed to sell the car in a hurry
and the $7000 was just enough to cover my note at the bank)
Current baby:
Bought from (non-Porsche) Dealer for $26,500
1993 968 Cabriolet stock
52,000 miles
exterior - 9
interior- 9
(somewhat rare color combo - amazon green metallic with black leather -
piping matches exterior, black top, 6-speed (most are amazon
green/tan/black tiptronic) - chromed 16" wheels look pretty sweet, too.)
-Jason
'93 968 Cabriolet
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Chris Grobmyer, Pennsylvania (purchased near Pittsburgh)
Private Sale
1986 944na stock except wheels
100,000+miles, 3 exterior, 7.5 interior
Paid 5k, should of paid 3.5k or less as it was a lemon (and even pre inspected)
after all the work and improvements i estimate (minus the exterior) the
rest of it is worth 7k after a total of 11k (including the price) in the car
....everything under its skin has been touched / fixed / replaced in the
thing!.....
but it still love the money pit
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Jeff Strossner/ Arkansas
Private/ $23,500
1993 968 6 speed coupe--stock
39,500 miles---Exterior 9---Interior 9
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k...
85.5 944NA Kalahari gold... 79,000 miles
Purchased June 99 for $5,500 in central PA (asking price was $6.500) from
private seller
Interior perfect 9.5 out of 10
Exterior 8 out of 10... few small stone chips on the nose
Mechanically great, has only needed new belts
smn
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Your name/state of purchase Phil Harrison NY
Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price Private $4300
Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified 84 944 NA Stock
Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/ Condition of interior (1-10) 120,000 8,7
Regards
Phil Harrison
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> Your name/state of purchase
Brent Earl/Illinois
> Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price
Private sale from service mgr at a dealer/ $10,000
> Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified
1987 / 944 Turbo / modified: strut brace, chipped
> Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/ Condition of interior
> (1-10)
95000 / 8 couple small stone chips / 7 two dash cracks
> Any additional info that effects cars value, plus or minus.
gold exterior / gold/brown interior, porsche cd player, abs brakes,
partial electric leather seats, alarm, radar detector (aftermarket),
no sunroof bag, flat 928 wheels.
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I applaud your efforts. I, too, have found Anderson's numbers questionable (and his general anti-watercooler attitude irritating).
Good luck,
Al Nelson
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I paid 17K in June of 95. Had all receipts of work and service
performed. 46K miles documented.
Satin Black w/ full leather seats, front and rear. Black carpet.
Interior was a 9 out of a 10. Exteroir was a 7.5... stone chips, a few
small door dings, and a 12" key mark on the hood. Came with 3pc BBS 16x8
and 16x9.5.
Weltmeister sway bars, front 200lb springs and rear Bilstien sports.
K26#8 turbo with custom APE software. S2 ring/pinion w/ LSD. Head was
shaved with port and polish job. Alpine CD and EQ with two amps and ADS
speakers.
The receipts totaled about 13K, that's with the upgrades and service
performed after the warranty was up. Was the best of 5 or 6 I looked at,
including 2 S models.
Regards,
Danton
87' 951
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Hi,
Here's my vital stats :-)
Joseph Mesgleski
Purchased in Brick, NJ. ( Local Porsche service manager took car from poor broken belted owner) He asked for $7900 I gave him $7500.
87 944S All stock except for new CD player and 4 speakers.
Mileage at my purchase @ 78k date: 7/98 now have 87k
Condition: Exterior Indischrot Red- repainted, according to my brothers friend who has a shop in Rhode Island, I have an excellent job worth at least $4000.00
So good in fact that my brother who this spring got a 82 911SC looks at my car with a fine tooth comb every time he sees it and say's "I wish I knew who painted this ",I do have chips in the front, I guess due to normal use. I detest bras, even on women I guess. The interior is a 9, I am just starting to experience cracks on my dash. None are visible sitting in the car, the most severe is about 4 inches to the left of the instrument cluster, with a couple small one's happening at the defroster outlets.
Seat's are stunning, I have seen my share of "old" 944's and I have yet to see any seat as well preserved as mine. You should have heard me swear when I sat in the seat with a pencil in my back pocket...it's hardly noticeable( the puncture) :-)
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From: thekubiaks@home.com (The Kubiaks)
To: Pohlpositn@aol.com
You won't get the keys to my very clean 1989 951 w/ Stage 3 MAF, 17" wheels, ARC2/ARM1, HKS EVC IV for less than $18,000 84,000 miles
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> Your name/state of purchase
Matthew Platts, car was purchased in NH, I moved it to TX (it was a NH car
for it's entire life)
> Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price
Private sale, $3500 + $850 to transport to TX (although I wouldn't consider
that to be part of the price, that was my option rather than driving it
1,700 miles with no maintenance records)
> Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified
1987 924S, stock, 152,000 miles
> Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/ Condition of interior
> (1-10)
Exterior - 7, right-front fender has been replaced, front of car including
doors and hood have an 'ok' repaint, rear quarters and back are factory
paint. Panels are straight, no rust, glass is good.
Interior - 8, interior is all factory, the only obvious problem was the
infamous cracked dash. The carpet, cloth/vinyl seats have no tears and no
obvious wear. Complete with porsche air compressor, owners manual, toolkit,
spare, working cargo cover, etc.
> Any additional info that effects cars value, plus or minus.
The car had no maintenance records, but appeared to be well maintained
mechanically. Tires were 60% tread left, wheels were a "4" on 1-10 scale.
Hope this helps!
Matt Platts
Lifetime Rennlist Member # 990415-1094
PCA Maverick Region
'87 924S
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>Your name/state of purchase
Larry F. /Montana
>Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price
Private/$5500.00
>Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified
1988/924S/completely stock
>Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/ Condition of interior (1-10)
51,000/exterior - 8/interior - 9.5
>Any additional info that effects cars value, plus or minus.
only 1 previous owner/car had minor body damage in front (repaired) not
very well thus the 8 for exterior condition. Other than that car was
clean, in great shape, under hood immaculate, maintanence up to date and
was all original, even the electric tire pump came with the car.
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Michael Whelan
California
Consignment at a dealer
1987 951
Stock
106K
Exterior 8
Interior 9
Asking $10K
Purchased $9300 July, 1998
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Your name/state of purchase:
Nick Csabi Virginia
Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price:
Private 4,500
Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified:
87 944S Stock ?
Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/ Condition of interior
(1-10):
120,000
Exterior = 8
Interior = 9
Any additional info that effects cars value, plus or minus:
Records very sketchy, four previous owners all within the state. looks as
though head work may have been performed, no record. Steering rack replaced
prior to purchase by PO.
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John-
Here's my info. Hope it helps.
Your name: Mike Murcia
State of purchase: Indiana
Private or dealer sale: Dealer
Purchase or sale price: $4200
Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified: 1984 944, Stock
Mileage: 78,000
Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best): 9
Condition of interior (1-10): 9
Any additional info that effects cars value, plus or minus: Company car,
Lady
driven, Stored winters, Dealer maintained, and stored for three years
prior
to purchase.
Take care,
Mike Murcia
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I finally got my Excellence in the mail today. The article shows the 944
turbos going down in value since last year. Bruce is a 911 guy, and I just
don't think he is paying much attention to the 944 prices or his 944
articles. In the August '99 issue, the Readers' Sales Report shows 2 951
selling at well above Bruce's numbers and in each instance Bruce says that
the sales may "represent an upward trend in prices for 944 turbos." I
think in reality the sales represent what the values have been for some
time, and Bruce was just starting to notice. Well, he seems to have
forgetten, because he continues to show them undervalued and declining. In
this months article, there is one sale, also well above Bruce's numbers.
In fact, I flipped through the last year's worth of the magazine, and I
only found one car selling in Bruce's range. Bruces numbers are also
remarkably close to Kelley Blue Book retail values, which really makes me
wonder how he is making those editorial deadlines. Unless he starts trying
a little harder, I think we may need to accept that his values are just not
very accurate. If you compile a list, maybe you should send it to Bruce
and Excellence. If Bruce doesn't care, maybe the magazine will.
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I have 3 private sales/purchases in southern california in the last 2 years
for your survey.
Bought '83 944 for $3,300. Stock, 96K miles, 7 exterior, 8 interior
Sold '83 944 for $4,000, Stock, 106K, rebuilt engine, 8 exterior, 10 interior
Bought '86 944 for $5,000, stock, 162K, 9 exterior, 10 interior
Hope that helps.
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OK, This is my story.
I purchased my 89 951 with 47,500 miles on it for $13,000. The PO lived in
Chicago and kept the car here in Tucson, AZ at his second home for most of
the time. I purchased the car 3/20/97.
The following maintenance was done immediately:
New motor mounts, new cam and balance belts, new in dash AC control unit,
new hood shocks, new high pressure hose on the AC, alignment, two new front
tires, fixed rear wiper connection, replaced clock bulb, replaced leaking
heater valve, and some general maintenance. This totaled about $2000 in
parts and labor.
The paint on the front of the car, hood and roofline was getting slightly
faded. I had this perfectly colormatched for $1,500. The car looked perfect
and ran perfect after all this.
So, I would have paid $17,000 for my car after the needed maintenance was
completed. But you need to understand the car was now PERFECT!
Since this, I have had the wheels polished, and stereo work completed. The
engine and clutch now has many upgrades and is putting down 335hp and 345tq
at the wheels on a dynojet. The parts cost about $6,500 plus labor. If you
don't include typical maintenance costs, I have about $20,000 into my car.
I would not sell it for less than $19,000.
George
89 951
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Darren Moore/Texas
Dealer/$19,995
1993 968 stock - Purchased March, 1998
55K/8/9
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MIKE DUNN
Ontario Canada
Dealer Sale
Asking 7500 CDN. Paid 4500. CDN
1980 931 stock original
120,000 km
Exterior good condition, a couple of small door dings that I removed via
PDR. (I'd rate 8)
Interior- that funky/ psychodelic checked pattern good condition except dash
(dash has two small cracks) I'd rate the interior an 8)
Second gear synchro going...
Two different types of tires
everything going good so far....
I bought this car one month ag
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this was a fixer.
Eric Dorman/ CA
Auto reseller sale/ price $5k
1986/951/stock
mileage unknown (odo malfunction). i would guess 100k
exterior condition at time of sale 5
interior condition at time of sale 6
vehicle was TX car. no records, but passed CA smog (not sure how,
it had barely any oil/h2o in it). clearly required extensive preventive
maintenance repairs, mostly just rubber stuff and cleaning. i would
rate it now as 7/8 on the exterior/interior scale; anything better
will require repaint/recarpet/etc.
hope this heps. i've _never_ seen good-quality 951s for anywhere
near as low as Andersons' article rates. if ever anything comes
up that cheap they're in the condition i got mine (e.g. fixers).
--eld
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Purchased an 84 944 just over a year ago.
Robert Alford - TX
Private sale - $4500.00
1984 944 - stock
85,000 miles
exterior condition = 8
interior condition = 7
I am have been long time friends of the original owner and have personal
knowledge of the car since 1986.
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Hi, JP. I bought my 1988 951 in June, 1998. Mileage was 69,350. Currently
has 72,400.
Richard C. Fidler/ purchased in Miami,Fl
private sale/$12,500
1988/951/modified (bigger turbo,17"C-2 takeoffs, K&N cone air filter, NO
CHIPS)
current mileage 72,400
condition of exterior 9
condition of interior 7
go to http://members.tripod.com/~derfid for a picture, if interested.
Would like to see the report when you finish it. Post to RENNlist??
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Here's my info...
Purchased in Sept 99.
1988 944 Turbo S. Siberrosa on burgundy cloth. All standard turbo S
options No air bags in Canada.
101,000 Kms (about 62K miles)
Paid $18,000 CDN dollars (around $12.5K US) in Montreal, Canada. Montreal
is a VERY inexpensive place to buy used cars. Typically the cost of the car
in Montreal [CDN dollars] will be the same as the cost in the US [US
dollars].
Bought via Private sale (albeit from the owner of a specialized German Auto
centre).
Completely stock and unmodified. 50% of all service records (just last 5
years). Never winter driven.
Mechanically a 9 (recent clutch, brakes, timing belt/pump, starter).
Minor mechanical shortcomings (sloppy shifter (pin), slightly leaking power
steering fluid (from reservoir of course)
Needs new tires.
Cosmetically a 7, decent original paint. Requires front nose repaint (rock
chips). Crack in windshield.
Interior a 9, very clean interior. Small tear in drivers seat backrest,
worn leather shift boot.
Overall a solid turbo S, with no mechanical problems but not a concourse
car.
Which is OK, I plan to race it like crazy!
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Your name/state of purchase John Smaardyk/Texas
Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price Private sale/$12,500
Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified 1988/944 Turbo S/Weltmeister
chips, wastegate shim, 3 bar fuel pressure regulator
Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/ Condition of interior
73,000 miles/exterior: 7+/interior: 8
(1-10)
Any additional info that effects cars value, plus or minus.
The car needed new engine mounts and front rotors. The steering rack
(rebuilt with lifetime warranty) was leaking.
"While in there..." I replaced all power steering components, belts and
rollers, water pump, oil seals, plugs, filters.
About $2k in parts plus an alignment. The majority of this was routine stuff
expected for a vehicle of this age and
mileage.
By the way, the sale date was January of 1999.
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Your name/state of purchase
Ted Harlan/ohio
Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price
Private/ $6500
Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified
1988 944. stock except for rear valance.
Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/
90000 Mi/exterior an 8
Condition of interior
Interior a 6
Any additional info that effects cars value, plus or
minus.
Had new T-belt, clutch, and motormounts.
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Here's my info:
Your name/state of purchase: Brett Messimer/Pennsylvania
Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price: Dealer/$16,000
Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified: 1987/ 951/ Stock
Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/ Condition of interior
(1-10): 77K/ Ext - 8/ Int - 8
Let me know if you need any additional info.
Brett
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Hi,
I bought my 82 924 3 years ago for 1995.00USD. It was a good runner, just
needed lots of love and a new interior. If I were to sell it today I would
try real hard to get 2500-3000 because of the restoration and performance
enhancements.
Jay Jobes
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Rob Dingwall/Ontario/Canada
Private sale/ 9,800 cad (6,700 us)
86/944 na/stock, very small mods
227K (141,000 miles)/ exterior 8/ interior 9
thx for doing this.
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>>
Brad Booz/Michigan
Private/$7000.00
1984/944/stock
84,000 mi/Ext-8/Int-9
Car is the wifes & it has Automatic tranny, she is too short to drive a stick, seats won't go forward enough to get the clutch down. We paid more than book value because we had a hard time finding an Automatic worth buying. My 944 & 924 have been around way too long to be of intrest to your survey.
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Your name/state of purchase
Shawn Crews / PA-NJ
Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price
Private / $8,500
Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified
1987 / 951 / Stock
Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/ Condition of interior
(1-10)
99,000 / 8 / 7
Any additional info that effects cars value, plus or minus.
Car needed: rear main engine seal, oil pan gasket, oil cooler seals,
catalytic converter
________________
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JP:
I just bought my 1995 968 coupe
private sale, $22,000
car has 70K miles, options, leather interior, limited slip, side moldings, full power left seat, paint to sample, summer yellow
Car is in excellent condition, inside-out and mechanically
Another item for you
I recently turned down $12,000 for my summer yellow 1987 944S
original 49K miles, options- Reno radio, 16 inch wheels, stabilizer bars front and rear, speed control, alarm, electric sunroof, partial leather interior
Car is in excellent shape, last year it won Zone class concourse
Decided I could not part with it
Regards,
Rich
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Hi John, Here's my info:
>Your name/state of purchase
Dan Nguyenphuc, CAlifornia
>Private or dealer sale/ Purchase or sale price
Private sale, $7000
>Year/ model/ stock, modified, highly modified
1986 944 Turbo, stock wtih AutoThority Stage-1 chips
>Mileage/Condition of exterior (1 worst, 10 best)/ Condition of interior
>(1-10)
125,000miles, exterior=9.5, interior=9.5
>Any additional info that effects cars value, plus or minus.
Optional Fuchs, leather seats, air-con, sunroof, cruise, immaculately
maintained, gold-thread on floor-mats were still shiny.
I'd say I got one hell of a deal. In the one year (+2-months) I've owned
it, I've had no unexpected failures. Normal wear & tear maintenance for the
type of use (4-6 track sessions/year). Hope this helps your cause. - danno
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Mayby it will be not usefull, but that my infos:
Waldemar Sliwka / car purchased in Poland in 1998
Private sale / 4900$
1987 / 924S(US version) / stock
136000 / Condition of exterior 6 / Condition of interior 6
AC, summer and winter tires, partial-leather electric seats
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early 85 944
guards red, repainted recently
had a salvage title somewhere, but it was bought with a clean one
has been hit in rear
paid $3400
put over $3,000 back into it and enjoy every minute..
;-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Green
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(Alan Kubiak)
To: 924/944@rennlist.org (924/944/968)
You could tell me that my 89' 951 is only worth $3000. Talk is cheap, but
don't expect me to turn over the keys for less than $18,000..... Prices
may vary and no one says you have to sell these engineering masterpieces
for less than you want to let it go for... my 2 cents...
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Mike Jacobsen/FL
private 88 951S stock 105K mi
int.7 ext8 one mod was a boost bolt from autoathority that improved takeoff & reduced lag tremendously Sold after 3 mo.s on the market for 10,500 Belts recently done.
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>Here's some info, maybe I'll get lucky and give you stuff you need..
>
>87 951
>Mariscinorot
>purchased 2/99 $6500
>115K miles
>had lots of records
>
>expenses since purchase
>all hoses/belts/pumps 1100
>new tires 500
>rear Konis 250(?)
>Chips/banjo 250
>K&N Filter 50
>Throttle position switch 50
>test pipe 250
>new seats 750
>new paint 1500
>polish phonedials 450
>bra 150
>
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>re: your request for info on recent 944 purchases
>
>In May of '99 I bought an '86 951 with 80,000 miles on it for $ 7850.00. It
>is Guards Red with linen cloth interior, sunroof, Fuchs wheels, LSD, M474
>option, interior and exterior about 7.5 out of 10, no dash cracks. It needed
>a new A/C compressor (which he told me before I went to see it). $7850 was
>his asking price and, after inspecting and test driving the car, that's what
>I paid and I think I got a very good deal.
>
>Cordially,
>JerryM
>'86 951
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Reply-to: mkramer@ubermensch.org
To: Pohlpositn@aol.com
I bought my 85.5 944 in June of '98 for $4900. It had 145,000 miles, but was easily an 8 both mechanically and cosmetically.
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